WWE Byte This Report 7-19-02 (Eric Bischoff and John Cena)
Submitted by Calvin Martin on Monday, July 22, 2002 at 6:09 PM EST
WWE Byte This! 7-19-02
By E.C. Ostermeyer
eco@wireco.net
This is the WWE Byte This! report for Friday, 19 July 2002m and I am E.C.
Prior to the
Opening credits
We get the video clip from Raw of Eric Bischoff saying that he's the one to
put the 'E' in WWE.
'This is so surreal!' says Good Ol' Jim Ross.
Your hosts are Kevin Kelly and Dr. Tom Prichard.
They've had technical problems on the show already, (read 'Kelly tried his
hand at the control board and screwed things up just like the last time') that
Kelly blames the late start on.
Therefore, we won't get Droz this week, and Tazz is 'taking care of some
family business' up in Boston this week.
Apparently Tommy Tickets has run afoul of 'Da Law' once more.
Kelly and Dr. Tom reminisce about 'The Hug Heard Round The World' between Eric
Bischoff and Vince McMahon last Monday night on Raw.
(It busted MY 'Weird Sh*t-O-Meter' all right!)
Kelly says he can't believe he's got Eric Bischoff on his run-sheet for Byte This!
'It is surreal,' says Kelly, echoing Jim Ross.
Dr. Tom says that Bischoff cannot be called a dumb guy by any means; he
couldn't have come within an eyelash of running Vince McMahon and the the WWF
out of business.
Kelly touches briefly on the hiring of Stephanie McMahon as the Smackdown
General Manager.
Dr. Tom is enthusiastic about Steph's new job, saying that she has a more
business-like approach to running things as GM.
'Her first act was to toss Eric Bischoff out of the building,' says Kelly,
'but he got in the last laugh when he drove off in HHH's limo.'
Kelly says it is all going back to competition, with two competing shows vying
for talent, ratings, and their niche in the business.
Dr. Tom says it will make both rosters more competitive.
'It will be an interesting time for everybody,' says Dr. Tom.
And Eric Bischoff is on the phone.
He gives a brief rundown of the events that led up to his appearance on Raw
last Monday night.
Bischoff says that he and Vince had been negotiating on his showing up in WWE.
'Everybody did a good job of keeping things quiet until Monday night,' says
Bischoff, ' I came into La Guardia, stayed in my hotel room for 6-7 hours to
keep out of sight. Then I went tot he arena and stayed in the limo until it
was my time to go on stage. The look on the faces of some of the wrestlers was
just priceless. I wish I had a video camera. I was anxious to see how people
were going to react.'
Kelly does a brief rundown of Bischoff's accomplishments. This includes
'changing the way Vince McMahon does business.'
Bischoff says that it was never his intention to run Vince out of business;
'it was just rhetoric.'
'When I came on board in WCW, it was such a small company, nobody believed
they were any threat. I'm a mercenary, and I will do anything to succeed for
those who pay me. '
'As for when I knew that Vince wasn't going under,' he continues, ' it was
when I saw the 'Attitude' initiative begin to work. I said 'Hey, these guys
aren't gonna lay down.' That's when I knew.'
Dr. Tom wants to know who Bischoff answers to in his new job'
Bischoff says that his attorney handles that; he's spoken maybe five times
with Jim Ross; he has respect for Jim Ross, and he's happy to be here in WWE.
Kelly asks Bischoff's thoughts on the way WCW was brought in to WWE since the
buyout'
'The world is full of people that know how best to do things after they've
been done,' says Bischoff, ' a lot of the top talent for WCW wasn't
represented, so it wasn't destined to be a big successful push.'
Dr. Tom asks about the time Degeneration X showed up and invaded WCW'
'Once they did that,' says Bischoff, 'we couldn't quite get the support to do
the same to them. You see, we were in a lawsuit over copyright problems with
WWF at that time, and our lawyers were very conservative. What really
embarrassed me was when DX showed up at our corporate office, it showed just
how crappy the offices we worked in were. Turner put us in a building a mile
from a sewage plant. Every time it rained, the floors flooded.'
Kelly asked about the problems some former WCW wrestlers may have with Bischoff'
'I'm beyond all that,' says Bischoff, 'if they have a problem they know where
to find me.'
Kelly asks which departure from WCW hurt WCW the most; Chris Jericho, or The
Big Show'
'Neither of them hurt the company at all,' says Bischoff, 'Big Show was on his
way out anyway. Jericho's departure occurred when the company was having
problems; his departure didn't have an effect on anything that was going on.'
Dr. Tom tosses out the fish-hook question about the departure of Steve Austin.
'I don't like to get into this sort of thing,' says Bischoff, 'when I brought
in Hulk Hogan into WCW, Austin came to me saying that he wanted to be Hogan's
tag partner.
'And his COUSIN!
'Well, we already had a whole story line planned that wasn't going to involve
Austin. When I told him that, all of a sudden things got real difficult. Lots
of 'injuries,' lots of no-shows. It didn't hurt me to fire him. I think it
actually improved his career in my mind.'
Caller John from Hartford, CT wants to know what Bischoff's new role will be
in WWE
'We haven't sat down and discussed what my role will be,' says Bischoff,
'whatever it takes, whatever they want me to do, I will do.'
Kelly and Dr. Tom comment on what former WCW wrestlers have said about how
tough it was to get an idea across to the WCW writers, that it seemed like
there were only two or three people making all the decisions.
'With the schedule we had,' says Bischoff, 'it was hard for anybody to get an
idea in. We were on the road four days a week, and then did two live TV shows
on top of that. When you do live TV, you get into the 'live TV mindset,' and
there was not a lot of room for changes; changing on the fly is always
dangerous, especially when you are doing a live show two nights a week as we
were.
'
Not that we didn't listen to their ideas. It's just that a lot of their ideas
didn't fit the master plan we were working from. As for them saying that
certain people had too much access to me, that's wrong. Everybody had access
to me. One of the things I've noticed about how things work here in WWE is
that they are blessed with many talented people who have been in the business
a long time. They understand the wrestling business from the ground up; they
know how the machine works.
'In WCW, we often ended up absorbing people from other parts of Turner. Some
of these people ended up with us because, where they worked before, nobody
wanted to fire them! Not exactly the 'best and brightest' became the norm at
WCW. They were there because'they were there!'
'Yeah,' says Kelly, 'after the accountant was put in charge, and they let you
go, I could see they were in trouble over there. You just knew there were
going to be big problems down the road for WCW.'
'The accountant that took over didn't do so until after I left,' says
Bischoff, 'I think that was a big part of what happened to WCW. I've read
every comment from every wrestler who came over from WCW. First off, none of
them know what they were talking about because none of them were a part of the
decision making process of the senior management of Turner-Time Warner. They
have opinions, I will grant them that, but they aren't grounded in fact.'
Kelly asks if the idea guaranteed money and guaranteed contracts were
something that WCW management thought was the right way to go, as opposed to
the standard performance'based contracts' And was that one thing that hurt the
company in the long run'
Bischoff says no, long term guaranteed contacts weren't what caused WCW to fail.
'I grant you, it made it more difficult for WCW to weather a sudden downturn
in the business,' says Bischoff, 'guaranteed contracts were a fact of life all
along in WCW from the time I joined the company. I inherited that system when
I came on board. Having that large a staff each on guaranteed contracts made
it hard to weather the downturn in business.
'When I joined WCW,' he continues, 'I got them in the black for the first
time, and with triple digit gains. Then WWF started aggressively pursuing
their 'Attitude' angle.
'The execs at Time Warner said 'If they do that, here's how we counter it with
your new creative direction.'
'That happened in August, 1998 at a meeting I attended. There were faces at
that meeting I'd never seen before, and they told me how things were going to
be in WCW. When I walked out of that meeting, I thought to myself, 'Man,
things are gonna get UGLY!'
'And I was right. I was no longer in control of WCW. When Ted Turner was
running Turner, the people under him were like him, all entrepreneurs, willing
to take chances, to go the distance to be successful. The merger with Time
Warner got everybody thinking about their stock options, about their opposite
numbers in Time Warner, and about hanging onto their jobs. A 'committee
mentality' settled in, and a lot of people saw WCW as a hot commodity for them
to sink their teeth into in order to look good to their Time Warner
counterpart. That was the beginning of the end, in August of 1998, and not
the guaranteed contracts.'
Kelly asks Bischoff to look forward for Raw and Smackdown, and the Triple
Threat Match at Vengeance this Sunday.
Bischoff says that the three participants all have different characteristics.
'The Rock has momentum,' he says, 'it's hard to imagine him not coming out on
top. Undertaker's been around a long time; he has lots of savvy, and he knows
what's what. He doesn't have to make a big comeback like Hogan did, although
both he and Hogan are wrestling legends. Kurt Angle I haven't talked with.
When I watch Angle, I see a machine. He is so talented and so on top of his
game right now. This is a great Main Event, not just because I'm the Raw GM,
but because I'm a fan as well.'
Kelly asks Bischoff about Stephanie McMahon being the GM of Smackdown with her
father running the whoie show, and how Bischoff expects to get a fair shake
against competition like that'
Bischoff laughs, and says 'Talent,'Perseverence'and Ruthless Aggression.'
'I'm glad to be competing against a McMahon. I've been competing against them
my whole career. With Vince, we competed, and at the end of the day, he took
home the prize, and I sat at home and ate pizza for two years. So here's
another opportunity to compete against a McMahon' I'm ready for it. Bring her on!'
Kelly asks about Bischoff pursuing HHH for the Raw brand.
'This product needs to re-invent itself,' say Bischoff, ' and it's hard to do
that when you keep using the same six or eight people over and over again to
make your best matches.'
(HALLELUIA! Somebody finally got what you fans have been hollering about for
the past five years!)
'Working with HHH is a big focus for me,' Bischoff continues, 'if I am
successful in signing him, it will make Raw a much better product.'
Dr. Tom asks about the possibility of Bill Goldberg showing up in WWE'
'I've answered that question a couple of times already today,' says Bischoff,
'I don't know. Bill and I are friends. We will be going to Sturgis again this
year, and I am hoping to talk with him then. Now, since I'd made an agreement
with Vince McMahon about joining WWE, Bill obviously didn't know about that
until last Monday night. I'd love to see Bill in WWE. There are a number of
misconceptions about Bill's contribution to the business. There are a lot of
great stories still there, and a lot of great matches still there.'
The Chatroom says that Goldberg 'is a forty-year-old, injury-prone
difficult-to-work-with flash in the pan with a chip on his shoulder.'
'A lot of that is unfair,' says Bischoff, 'Chip on his shoulder'' How about
'Passion for the Business' instead' There's nothing wrong with a big ego. That
means that the person who has it has to go out and find ways to feed it. Bill
can be a handful at times, but through it all, he's a good person. As far as
his rise in the company, until the Rock showed up, no one had ever before
risen so far so fast or achieved as much as Bill Goldberg had. There are two
people in this business who are true phenoms: Bill Goldberg and the Rock. Look
at the other stars who reached that level. They'd all been in the business a
long, long time. Bill still has a lot to offer. As far as his injuries go,
he'd be injured a lot less if he didn't have the passion he has for this
business.'
Adam from New York wants to know about how Bischoff feels being back in the
same locker room with Ric Flair'
'So much of this has been blown out of proportion,' says Bischoff, 'when I
left WCW in 2000, Ric and I had a good relationship. It was a roller coaster
at times, but I like Ric Flair. I can't speak for how Flair feels about me.
There's been times his family and mine visited the yacht club in Orlando and
drank Mai-Tais together. Then there are the other times when we both wanted to
put each other in therapy. Pick a day, a week, a month: we've done it all.'
Kelly thanks Bischoff for the idea of the Nitro Girls, which spawned their
counterparts, the WWE Divas.
Kelly asks Bischoff who stands out to him as a WWE Diva'
'I am partial to Stacy (Keibler) because of her being a Nitro Girl alumni,'
says Bischoff, 'and the fact she's got legs up to her earlobes doesn't hurt
either!'
'Oh yeah!' say Dr. Tom with a laugh.
Dr. Tom asks Bischoff if he can contain that massive ego of his working in WWE'
'When people left WCW, either because I fired them or because they wanted to
leave,' says Bischoff, 'how easy would it be for them to trash WCW in order to
get on the good side of Vince McMahon or Jim Ross' A lot of them did it just
to make themselves look good at the expense of the company they once worked
for. In some cases, the talent has blown the misery level over at WCW way out
of proportion, and I should know; there towards the end, I was the most
miserable guy in the place! There was a lot of good reasons to be miserable in
WCW, and I take responsibility for some situations that I could have helped
make better, but through one thing or another, it never happened.
'But that was then. I'm now with WWE, and trying to make an impact here. I
have no desire, quite frankly, to go back into that pressure cooker that WCW
had me in. I am financially very well off, and I've got a lot of other things
I am doing ('Survivor' being one) in my life right now to feed this ego of
mine. I'm doing wrestling because you get a rush in wrestling you can't get
anywhere else. No matter how much money I make doing other projects, nothing
compares to wrestling when you are firing on all eight cylinders, manipulating
emotions, creating heat, developing story lines. Nothing beats it.
That's why I am here; I can't get that needle out of my arm!'
Kelly asks if Bischoff is really a member of the (appalling) Baldwin
theatrical family, which gets a snort of outrage from Dr. Tom, (whose bad
opinion of the Baldwins is only exceeded by my own.)
'Who's the biggest one'' asks Bischoff.
'Daniel,' says Dr. Tom, 'but he was the one who had all the problems with the
police. Getting dragged out of hotel rooms and stuff.'
'How do you know these things, Tom'' asks Kelly.
'I think I was in the room next door on one occasion,' laughs Dr. Tom.
'I'm not related to ANY of the Baldwins, thank you,' says Bischoff, ' and I
guess that isn't a bad thing.'
Caller Terry from Georgia wants to know what happened with the possible
buy-out of WCW by Fusient Group that fell through just before Vince bought
everything for a song'
'There's a procedure in contract negotiations called 'Due Diligence,' says
Bischoff, ' where everybody goes over the books for six months to get an idea
about how stable a company is, so that we knew everything about WCW before
acquiring it. Jason Hervey, my good friend, pointed me at Fusient because they
were buying investment properties at the time. We were so close to closing
that deal that I had taken my family to Hawaii because I knew that I would be
working with WCW 24/7 when the deal closed, and I wouldn't see them again for
a while.
'In Hawaii, I got a phone call from Brian Goddall (sp') of Fusient, telling me
that the deal had fallen through.
'What happened was that the same time the Fusient deal was going through, AOL
was merging with Time Warner, and a guy named Jamie Kellner assumed control
over TNT and TBS.
'Now, in the Fusient offer, we included extensive and extended airtime on both
TNT and TBS as part of the deal.
'Kellner took one look at the deal and said 'go ahead, but don't include any
airtime on TNT or TBS in the deal. I don't want wrestling on our networks
anymore.'
'Which meant we had a product but nowhere to sell it. We were effectively off
the air. The deal wasn't worth anything, so naturally we backed out.'
Kelly asks Bischoff where he sees the wrestling business five years from now'
'It's hard to say,' say Bischoff, ' there's no magic bullet or lightning in a
bottle to turn things around. Wrestling is and will always be popular and
cutting edge. It is trend-proof and fad-proof.
'Those so-called 'experts' who want to tear it all down and 'have all the
answers,' I'm betting are living in their parents' basement and working at
Burger King. Wrestling is up against a flood of reality-based shows right now,
and has seen some erosion of its market share. This is no surprise, because
wrestling is the original reality-based show; WWE was doing reality-based way
back when then were putting on the 'Attitude' angle.
'You would never have seen the kind of reality shows you are seeing now five,
three, two years ago on network TV. You are seeing them now because the ad
market is soft, money is tight, and the networks are scrambling for ad
revenue. Especially in the summer time, when their regular shows go into
hiatus, and the ad market is soft; that's when you see these reality shows,
'Dog Eat Dog', 'Fear Factor', during a tough period that lasts ninety days.
Then they go back to dramas and sitcoms.
'Wrestling is edgy, it's dangerous, and it's there year-round. It is more fun
for the audience to watch than a cop show or a doctor show. We will see more
reality-based storylines because the viewers are wanting reality-based
programs. You need spontaneous action, real reality. That's what we are
selling here.'
Kelly and Dr. Tom thank Bischoff for being on the show, and shill for
Bischoff's upcoming segment on 'WWE Confidential.'
Howard Finkel shows up with an 'Outthink the Fink' for this week.
Kelly asks Fink who will win the Triple Threat match at Vengeance'
Fink hems and haws, and shills his butt off for all three wrestlers, and winds
up not picking the winner as a result.
The 'Outthink the Fink' question concerns an event thast once occurred at the
Joe Louis Arena in Detroit, site of Sunday's WWE 'Vengeance' PPV.
At the event, who was the special referee, and what was the Main Event of the
night'
Kelly says he wants the Iron Sheik to help him out with the pre-Vengeance show
on Sunday.
This gets a horse laugh from everybody.
As they wait for John Cena, Dr. Tom fills us in on WWE letting Heartland
Wrestling Association go as a developmental area, saying that HWA's Les
Thatcher did a great job, and the HWA should carry on all right.
Regarding the mass firings of WWE developmental talent, Kelly says that for
information about wrestlers being let go, fans should check wwe.com for the
latest news from the official place to get it.
John Cena is on the phone live from 'Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom,' where he and
Nova are squaring off for the gold in OVW tonight. A 'No DQ/Handcuff' match, I
believe.
Kelly asks about Cena's reaction when he found out that he was going to WWE'
'It was just a regular day,' says Cena, 'then about three o'clock, Michael
Hayes comes up to me. I thought it was something routine, like the Dark Match
assignment, but instead he told me I was working with Kurt Angle that night on
the Smackdown show.
'I asked him, 'are they turning Angle babyface' Because I'm a heel.'
Hayes says no, you're the face. Well, I was a pretty ratty-looking heel, so I
had to get a lot of image-change things done, which left almost no time to set
up the match with Kurt.'
Dr. Tom says that sometimes it works out better that way; you don't have time
to get nervous.
Cena says there's some of his earliest footage he'd like to find and burn all
available copies.
Kelly says that he's got footage of Cena's match with the Hardcore Kid. They
are gonna put it on tape and call it, 'When Animals Mate!'
Kelly asks when Cena's 'light went on''
Cena says when he got to OVW, where he says the teaching, and little things,
their attention to details helped him to improve beyond what he had learned in
California.
'Out there,' says Cena, 'they were into glitz and glam, ring entrances, and
your physique. In OVW, I got hooked up with Danny Davis, a guy who really
loves this business. He taught me how to book finishes, The little things got
analyzed and to my specifications. It improved me tenfold.'
Dr. Tom says Kelly, the pig, likes to bury people on this show of his.
He then asks what Cena's first impression was of that hole of an arena that
OVW wrestles in, adding that it should be condemned.
Cena, on the other hand, praises the place, saying it exemplifies wrestling.
'You know what you are getting the second you walk through the door,' he says.
Cena goes on to praise everyone who has helped him in WWE, including
Undertaker, Jericho, and of course, Kurt Angle.
Dr. Tom wants to know where Cena's former moniker, 'Prototype' came from'
'I had this shaggy mohawk as part of my 'look,' plus I had never had a drink
before, ' laughs Cena, 'the wrestlers out in California were bouncing around
names like 'Machine' and 'Project 284.' 'Prototype' came up and the name stuck.'
Kelly asks Cena's opinion of Chris 'Harvard' Nowinksy from 'Tough Enough 1.'
'He's more geared to academics, being from Harvard,' says Cena, 'but, while
I'm also a college graduate from Springfield College in Springfield MA, I
stress athletics more than academics."
Dr. Tom asks if Cena can confirm he wanted to be a wrestler since he was four
years old'
'Yeah, ' laughs Cena, 'I had four brothers. We all loved wrestling, and used
to do matches in our basement on the concrete floor. We used to make the Title
belts out of fanfold computer paper. I still have one half of our version of
the NWA Tag Title belts at home after all these years.'
Kelly asks Cena about being on Smackdown.
Cena laughs, and says he's had friends turn the show on, and think they are
watching OVW, what with Randy Orton, Batista and others on there.
Kelly asks Cena about Brock Lesnar.
'TV doesn't do him justice,' says Cena, 'you just gotta see him live. He's a
real-time mutant. He's got everything it takes right now to go all the way.'
Randy Orton'
'Orton is unbelievable at doing the 'unteachables' in wrestling,' says Cena,
'when he gets in the ring, for some reason he looks like he belongs there.
Everything he does is just so smooth, crisp, and clean.'
Kelly asks what video tapes he studies, to which Cena replies that he's
currently watching old Randy Savage and Ted DiBiase tapes, learning from the
legends.
'I watch a lot of the 80's-style heels,' he says, 'because they got a lot of
heat, and didn't do a lot of the high-flying stuff you see nowadays on TV.
They got the fans even though they didn't overwork themselves doing it. Pacing
and timing are what they teach me. I want to see how they worked it, how
somebody could get such heat by just throwing punches.'
Kelly recalls Freddie Blassie who could stick with Lou Thesz in the ring, but
made his mark doing the 'vampire' bit by biting his opponent on the head.
The Chatroom says 'Welcome Back, Sting,' which is one heckuva compliment for
Cena, who's got the 'Sting look' going big time.
Kelly asks if the WWE locker room has been helping Cena out by critiquing his
matches'
Cena says yes, that when he finishes a match, he always asks others if there
was something they saw that he could have done to make it better'
'In California,' says Cena, 'we had guys who were so green in the business
that if you asked them that, they felt like they'd do more harm than good
answering you because they didn't know what to look for, or how to be
intellignet about what they saw. Well, that all changed in OVW and I'm seeing
it again in WWE. Everybody wants you to better yourself. Everybody wants you
to succeed. There are guys who will sit down, and say, listen, you gotta do
this, this, this, and this.'
Kelly, playing the doofus again, asks Cena if the 'Prototype' character made
Cena into a white supremacist'
This gets a laugh from Cena, and a snort of outrage from Dr. Tom, who gives
Kelly 'The Look.'
Kelly says that was a legitimate question that he had down on his sheet.
'Tryin' to play the race card, huh'' laughs Cena.
'Just keepin' it real,' says Kelly, 'how's the weather in Louisville''
'It is hot as a sonofabitch,' says Cena, 'humidity's about a hundred percent,
the temp's like one seventy''
'Man, you know that ring mat is gonna feel REAL good tonight, huh'' laughs Dr.
Tom.
Matt from Poughkeepsie, NY wishes Cena good luck in his match with Nova
tonight, then asks Cena if he feels pressure representing the Boston area in
wrestling'
'I'm proud to represent the Boston area,' says Cena, 'it's where WWE's roots are.'
'And if the Celtics could shoot a free throw,' laughs Kelly, 'you'd have even
more to be proud of''
'Y'know,' says Cena, slipping into 'Prototype' kayfabe for a minute, 'I've
just about had enough of you and your snide comments, Kevin Kelly''
'So what will happen first'' continues Kelly, 'hell freezes over, the Red Sox
win the Series, or you become Undisputed Champ''
'Reverse the order and it's a done deal!' laughs Cena.
Kelly and Dr. Tom thank John Cena for being on the show, and for allowing Dr.
Tom to give him such a hard time.
Cena leaves, as Kelly and Dr. Tom jabber about how Eric Bischoff will fit in
with WWE.
Dr. Tom says Bischoff will fit in, that he has something to give.
Kelly says that Bischoff also has the chance to have a good time with what
he's gonna do, not being saddled with all the other stuff he had to put up
with in WCW.
Kelly comments on Chavo Guerrero's challenge to Rey Misterio. Dr. Tom says
Rey's got some heavy duty ahead of him.
The Chatroom and phone queue collapses, and Kelly makes a snide poke at Byte
This! producer Big Country.
Dr. Tom says he will be calling in the 'Vengeance' pre-game show with great
interviews galore.
Big Country actually phones in from the control room, saying that the
'technical problems' have knocked out the Byte This! set's intercom system.
Kelly thinks BC's really at the local tavern.
(And he might be right, because I'd swear I heard glasses clinking and a
jukebox playing in the background.)
BC owns up, saying he and the rest of the technical crew left the show at 5 PM
like always, technical problems notwithstanding, and have been boozing ever since.
'What are you two still doing there in the studio'' laughs Big Country.
We get a montage of favorite photos on the chyron, including Dr. Tom sporting
a Billy & Chuck haircut, Kevin Kelly as Santa making some kid cry, Seth Mates
doing 'Number Two' and reading the paper, and finally, of course, Paul Heyman
as 'The Skullet!'
Shills galore for the Vengeance PPV, but no push for the individual matches.
Kelly says that they're saving those for the 'Vengeance' pre-game show.
We close the show with last December's 'Vengeance' PPV where Chris Jericho
becomes the first WWE Undisputed Champion.
Next week's guest is supposed to be the Rock.
See you then.
E.C. Ostermeyer
eco@wireco.net
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