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Smarks Court - THE VERDICT - The Hitman or The Game? (CPR Productions)
By Mazza
Feb 12, 2013 - 2:59:09 PM

‘Sup, Lords of Pain? Well the polls have been open a week and it is now time for the verdict. Without further ado when send you back to the Smarks Courtroom and Judge Joe...

Judge Joe: Didn’t we used to do the verdict at the start of the next case?

Mazza: Yeah, I just found the edit button.

Judge Joe: Where’s the other guy?

Mazza: ’Plan? My guess is off crying somewhere, this is a foregone conclusion after all.

Judge Joe: Alright. Fuck it. Blah blah blah, I announce the winner of this case by 488 votes to 459...

Mazza and Triple H


Mazza: YES YES YES!

Judge Joe: Congratulations to you and the other 487 people who got it wrong.

Mazza: You’re beginning to sound like ‘Plan. Now let’s go celebrate by picking up some trashbag hoes.

Judge Joe: Whatever, limey.


So there you have it ladies and gents. The return of Smarks Court is done and dusted. To say I have been pleased with the reaction to the column is an understatement so a big thanks to everybody who commented and/or voted. Also a big shoutout to Plan for going to bat for Bret. The voting was interesting to watch. Hunter drew out a lead of 20-30 votes on day one and it pretty much stayed that way the whole way through. Anyway, we shall be back again with another case at some point down the line, hopefully this time with Joe going to bat. I shall be back on my own later this week with another Bret column. This time however I shall be taking a more positive view of the Hitman. Hopefully I shall see you there but until then, peace!



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‘Sup, Lords of Pain? So many of you will be aware that I recently wrote a piece about Bret Hart’s “shoot” on Triple H during an interview. To say it garnered some emotional responses would be an understatement. Hart and Levesque are very controversial figures in the IWC. Both men have plenty of fans but also have plenty of detractors. In some circles they are just straight up hated. At face value you would think that they are extremely different but in plenty of ways they are actually quite similar and certainly closely matched. In replying to feedback to the column both in agreement and disagreement of my comments, I got to wondering just who the IWC would consider to be the greater of the two. So I hit up a couple of old sparring partners in huge Hitman fan, Plan and huge porn fan, Uncle Joe. That, of course, could only mean one thing. The return of...




For those of you who remember Smarks Court from back in 2009-10, welcome back. For those of you that don’t, I will give you a quick breakdown. We take a subject that causes a difference of opinion in the IWC. We have two people take a side and debate said problem and we let you, the reader, choose a winner. Pretty simple right? So today it will be purely a case of trying to find out who Lords of Pain readers think is better. I will of course be going to bat for Triple H and ‘Plan shall be fighting Bret Hart’s corner. Joe will be keeping order and wondering what the point of it all is. The format will be pretty easy too. We have picked five categories on which both sides will talk on. The first person will have their say and then it will be the second person’s turn to go. In the interest of not turning this into a 50,000 word piece of work however, we will then move onto the next subject. So one shot each per person with no comebacks for the guy who goes second. In the interest of fairness we will be alternating who goes first subject to subject. So without further ado we bring you...


Mazza vs ‘Plan: The Game or The Hitman?



Judge Joe: Didn’t I stop doing this shit years ago? This case is pretty dumb too. Hart clearly wins but it’s still like an Olympic 100m final between Stephen Hawking and Christopher Reeve. You know Superman will end up taking that shit but it ain’t gonna be easy viewing.

Mazza: Fuck sake, Joe. You’re meant to be impartial!

Judge Joe: Fuck that noise. And because of that outburst, you can go first.


In-Ring Skills


Mazza: Ain’t no thing.... My opponent probably thinks it’s a slam dunk but don’t forget that all those Bret Hart shades sold back in the day were rose tinted (Thanks MrMSaint!). Bret is often heralded as a technical genius but in all honestly that was never really true. Whilst the original 5 moves of doom comments I made recently are exaggerated, Hart never had a particularly large moveset. Whilst he was pretty good at hitting his moves, he was hardly a Man of 1000 Holds. The likes of Benoit and Malenko would come out with much more variation. My other criticism of Bret is that he was pretty good at wrestling his kind of match but wasn’t going to set the world on fire in other areas. Bret could really go against athletic wrestlers. From Hennig to Michaels, from Owen to Bigelow, they all had that athleticism in common. Bam Bam aside, Bret rarely clicked with big guys whether we are talking Sid, Nash, Taker or whoever, I never enjoyed those matches.

In contrast Triple H could go against guys of any size, of any style and in any environment. He could mix it up with small technicians, brawl it out with the likes of Foley and play the sports entertainment game with guys like The Rock. From high flyers to giants, Trips has got the best out of them. He even dragged Khali to a semi-decent match a couple of months before doing the business with Jeff Hardy, and this was after BOTH quad injuries. I’ll be the first to admit that the way JR used to try and push him as technical genius was stupid, but Hunter is without a doubt a top ring general whose adaptability puts him comfortably ahead of Bret as an in-ring talent.

’Plan: Never enjoyed his matches with Undertaker? Funny. I remember when we named Bret Mr Summerslam, you rated his match with Taker an A grade, I do believe. If not, it was certainly no lower than a B. And his match with Bulldog...you know, one of the best ever...was all him! Bulldog went completely blank in the first five minutes and guess what? Bret wrestled one of the greatest matches ever in front of the second biggest live crowd WWE has ever had ON HIS OWN!

But that’s beside the point. To say Bret couldn’t adapt to his opponent’s style is insane, and a criticism better levelled at someone like Flair, who always seemed lost in the ring if he wasn’t allowed to do his own thing, than it is with Bret. That being said, unlike yourself Maz, I’m not going to attribute my opinion as fact. You want proof? Look at some of the Hitman’s most famous encounters. He tore the house down with Diesel and Undertaker on more than one occasion - his Survivor Series bout, a No Disqualifications match to boot, is critically acclaimed, as is the aforementioned match with Undertaker at Summerslam. He tore the house down with Stone Cold multiple times - quite possibly the industry’s most famous ever brawler. He put on clinics with the likes of his younger brother Owen, and his long-time rival Michaels. Even against smaller hosses, like Bulldog, or martial artists like Hakushi, Bret achieved above average results each and every time. His matches with Diesel, Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Owen Hart, British Bulldog, Mr Perfect, Pierre-Lafitte, Hakushi, Jerry Lawler, Chris Benoit, Goldberg and Stone Cold are all critically acclaimed, and majorly so. And all of those critically acclaimed encounters read totally differently with totally different opponents. To say he couldn’t adapt is a farce.

So could Trips, don’t get me wrong. But there’s a crucial difference. Triple H was a copycat wrestler; that is to say, he always tried to play the other guy at their own game, just a little less well. I’ve said before and I will again - whatever Triple H does well, someone else does better. His in-ring skills are pretty strong, but no matter the match you choose, be it a Street Fight with Foley, a technical clinic with Angle or an all out brawl with Austin, the other guy always did it better. That was never the case with the Hitman - he either did it just as well, better or totally different. And I won’t even go into his legit amateur background, because then it’d just start getting unfair.

No way can Trips even be considered as competition for Hart here. So jog on, bitch.

Mazza: Wait a motherfuckin...

Judge Joe: Nope. That’s all you limey fucker. One turn each, I’ve got a dead hooker convention downtown later and you guys won’t stop otherwise. Next category, Bret is up again. Wake me when this shit’s done.

Mic Skills/Charisma


’Plan: Ah yes, no doubt a dead cert for The Game here, right? Perhaps. I couldn’t possibly sit here and try to feasibly claim Bret Hart was a master of the microphone. Clearly, he sucked. Pretty bad, at least in the early days. Neidhart had always been the mouthpiece for the Foundation and the Hitman would often seem to struggle to keep up with his other contemporaries. But as far as his mic work goes, his career was really one of two halves. By the time we reached the tail end of 1996 and the beginning of 1997, the Hitman was starting to find his niche. It wasn’t as catchy or as mind-blowing as a guy like Austin, but his rants on the state of America, his portrayal of an increasingly frustrated star being screwed over through circumstance and the corporation really allowed him to begin to flourish. I would definitely rate his mic work in ‘97, rambling as it would be, alongside the twenty to thirty minute promos Trips so often used to like to start Monday Night Raw off with, circa 2003/2004, in which he took a long time to say nothing.

And seeing as we’ve lumped charisma in the same boat here, let me have a quick word on that. Once again, I’m not going to claim Bret Hart was anywhere near the level of a Randy Savage or a Rock, but in the ring he always got the crowds sympathising with his plights and, to return again to his most famous angle, the US vs. Canada schtick, he always got a rise out of the live crowds. It was through his matches, though, that his real charisma lay - in his ring work, not his mic work. I always said his matches were his promos.

Much like how you claimed Bret was a five moves of doom man, Trips really only knew how to cut a promo with the same phrases in. I wonder just how many times he “fought like his life depended on it” because he was “that damn good-uuuhhhh!” Sheesh....

Mazza: So let me get this straight. You argument is atrocious maths, a Rock promo and the ridiculous idea that he wrestled his promos? I honestly think we should just move on because surely there is nothing I could say to make your stance any weaker...

… but where would the fun be in that? First off all, that one year (which was nowhere near half his career) he was better on the mic but only because he was running with a great storyline. The promos wrote themselves and with the guys he was up against, all he had to do was paint by numbers for the whole thing to be considered a success. Everything else was just painful. I always go back to one of my favourite promos of all time, which is booked in a Evidence A (see >>>here<<<.). In this pre-match interview at WrestleMania 8, Rowdy Roddy Piper delivers a masterpiece whilst Bret just looks, talks, and acts like a deer in the headlights. Now granted, Piper is one of the most charismatic and best promo guys in the history of the sport but it was a promo equivalent of John Cena wrestling Iron Mike Sharp.

Now I am not going to say Triple H is the greatest talker the business has ever seen, and yes, he did have a lot of time to opens shows when he was top man (we should all be extremely thankful that Bret wasn’t afforded the same during his run on top) but he is extremely competent on the mic. He has found himself in feuds with some of the strongest talkers in history. From Austin to the Rock. From Foley to Flair. From Jericho to Cena, and matched them every step of the way. On top of that he has done the work for many a wrestler who hasn’t had a great amount of ability to talk for themselves during feuds. Batista and Jeff Hardy immediately spring to mind here. As for charisma, again, it’s not even close. He was brilliant in DX (particularly the first two incarnations) and is one of the best heels the company has ever seen. His evil always oozed off the screen when he did his promos, you know, as actual promos. The only things oozing off Bret were the oil slicks in his hair.

’Plan: Oh, this is pathetic. Mazza, you’re...

Mazza: JOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEE!!!!

Judge Joe: What? Shut up. Whatever. Carry on.

Psychology/Storytelling


Mazza: Here we go. Psychology and storytelling. Something that Bret is often rated highly in. Don’t get me wrong, by today’s terrible standards he comes across as brilliant but for his era he was average at best. He knew how to work a match for sure but that was pretty much a minimum requirement for guys who came up in the 80s. Problem is that there was not a great deal of variation used by Bret. Again I will go to the “5 moves of doom”. I have already said that there is a bit of an exaggeration here but I think to brand them as “5 signatures of doom” would be fair. The Russian Leg Sweep, the Backbreaker, the Inverted Atomic Drop, the Second Rope Elbow, and do you know what would happen for years every time Bret would hit one of these? He’d get a two count! Every damn time. Never would that elusive three count arrive. Great psychology? How many times do you piss on the toilet seat before you realise you need to lift it up?

Now let’s get to Hunter. By the time he came through, the art of storytelling was already on the decline. Luckily Trips was clearly a student of the game. I have been a fan of Hunter since he first showed up curtseying with ribbons in his hair. From day one it was clear he knew how to live that gimmick, take it into the ring, show those all so important little touches whilst being able to work a match. Hell, in his first rumble match he was the anchor and went over three quarters of an hour from number one. He was given the nickname the Cerebral Assassin because of his kayfabe ability to manipulate and outsmart his opponents but that is not something that can be done without the ability to control every aspect of the match through the use of... you guessed it... psychology and storytelling. The middle match of his Mania trilogy with The Undertaker is a masterclass in it. Little things like telling the Deadman to “stay down” as his frustration grew and grew all help in making it an extremely underappreciated encounter. These little things pop up time and time again throughout his career. His facial expression when Cena came out in the 2008 rumble probably being my favourite of all.

My adversary will have you believe that Triple H is very strong in all aspects of wrestling without being a master in any. Personally I’d say that that is not a bad thing, but I’d also say it’s wrong as in my mind Hunter is most definitely a master of psychology.

’Plan: 500 words and none of them relevant. Fuck me, you ramble more than Trips does.

All decent points, at least as far as your hero goes. Unfortunately, none of them matter. You seem to have mistaken psychology and storytelling for portraying a character. You seem to think that because Trips can do obvious things that any wrestler with half a dime of common sense would do, that he’s a great storyteller. You couldn’t be more mistaken. Psychology and storytelling aren’t about looking annoyed when your opponent turns up. It’s not about telling someone YOU WANT TO BEAT to not get up. It sure as hell isn’t about curtseying like a ponce, because it just so happens the company’s given you a gimmick perfectly suited to your ridiculous nose. It’s about your match making sense. It’s about every move making sense. It’s about every transition, every plot twist, every comeback and high spot making sense. It’s about showing pro wrestling to be exactly what it is - a performance art.

5 signatures of doom? Alright, Bret has five moves he likes to use to build momentum. Here’s some others. Facebreaker, jumping knee drop, running high knee and a spinning spinebuster. Tell me, friend, who it is that regularly relies on them? Oh...right. Here are some others. Snake-eyes, Chokeslam, Old School, jumping lariat and a running DDT. Who uses them? Yeah, him, of course. EVERY WWE wrestler does the same trick, so it’s irrelevant.

Now I could sit here and sing and shout about how great Bret was at psychology and story telling and building a match that makes sense. I could even mention that Vince McMahon and Steve Austin, being the most successful wrestling promoter of all time and the most successful wrestling star of all time, both claim Bret to be the best storyteller in WWE history. Oops! Guess I just did. But ultimately, his matches do all the talking for him. Whether it was Bulldog at Summerslam in ‘92, Diesel at the Rumble in ‘95 or Austin at Wrestlemania in ‘97, each of his matches told a beautifully synthesised story well suited to the stipulation, opponent, the wider feud and the overall situation.

Unlike your boy. You mentioned earlier, Trips brings the best out of his opponents? Really? Look at the matches he was relied upon to carry. Batista at ‘Mania 21 was awfully dull, killed the live crowd and involved a blade job that made no fucking sense whatsoever, adding nothing to the match. His matches with Cena? Cases of the crowd entertaining themselves. ‘Mania 22 is the most sinfully clichéd match I’ve ever sat through in my life. His encounters with Umaga showed such a preponderance on making sure Trips looked hard as nails they did a fantastic job of making Umaga look like anything but a monster; even Cena did a better job on that front. The fact is, Triple H’s best matches always came with a guy better than him. Matches he had to carry often told a confused story, often killed the crowd and often made little psychological sense.

Need I mention Vladimir Kozlov?

Average at best? Crock of shit. My hubris may be my undoing on this one, but I needn’t state the obvious. Just watch Hart’s matches and they’ll prove Mazza wrong much more effectively than I ever could.

Judge Joe: Right it’s time to vote...

Mazza: Joe. We still got two more categories.

Judge Joe: The fuck? You said 3 and we’d be done. Why did I agree to do this shit?

Matches


’Plan: Matches? Gee, where could I possibly start in this plethora of “greatest evers”? There’s his Intercontinental title matches with Perfect and Bulldog, both of which are barely matched to this very day, and knock the spots off any bouts Trips had with that belt may I add. There’s his Cage Match with Owen; once again, it’s not only one of the greatest ever but a how to in wrestling an exhilarating cage bout without needing to lose fifty pints of blood. Oh, can’t forget their ‘Mania X opener either - the greatest curtain jerker in the history of the event. Then there’s his ground-breaking 60 minute Iron Man Match with Shawn Michaels. It’s not everyone’s cup of tea, granted, and I know you’ll undoubtedly try to run it into the ground as a snore fest, but for those of us that appreciate the art in pro wrestling it’s one of the greatest ever. And you can’t deny it didn’t break ground for the company either. Oh, there’s also the small matter of that Submission Match with Stone Cold. You know, the one that turned Austin, the most over and successful babyface in all of pro wrestling history, into a babyface.

Remember when Diesel was champion? Well his best matches came with either Shawn Michaels or, who, may I ask? You got it; the Hitman, whose initial encounters with him came before Shawn’s.. Of course, there’s also the fact that Bret was responsible for introducing and wrestling in the first ever Ladder Match for the WWE, which has now become a concept so utterly ingrained into the company’s mythology and booking policies that it has led on to be responsible for making stars out of Edge, Christian, Jeff Hardy, The Miz, CM Punk, Shelton Benjamin, Daniel Bryan and, as will happen shortly I have no doubt, Dolph Zigger, I’m not saying the Hitman is responsible for their successes, that would be ludicrous. But I wonder how many of them would have as long a highlight reel, or as great an infamy for that matter, without TLC or Money in the Bank, central company concepts drawn from the basis of the Ladder Match that the Hitman brought to the company.

Like his matches or hate them, like his in-ring style or hate it, there’s absolutely no denying that the Hitman’s matches rank amongst the greatest of all time. Trips has a fair few of those to his name as well, but where Bret has the advantage is that his were much more innovative. First Iron Man, first Ladder Match, first Spanish announce table bump, babyface turn of Stone Cold, greatest IC title matches, greatest ‘Mania opener.... It’s a laundry list of five star classics and revelatory turns. That’s not even going into his tag team career, that included memorable encounters with the likes of Demolition, The Rockers, Anderson and Blanchard and The British Bulldogs, as well as featuring the 5 on 5 tag match from Canadian Stampede.

As for Trips? The usual suspects will get thrown out, I’m sure. Street Fight, Iron Man, 3 Stages of Hell , Hell in a Cell and others. But you may notice, Mazza, that they all have one thing in common. Each one of your examples will feature an opponent who, by a wide margin or slim, could always do it better than Trips. The ones that don’t? Well, frankly, they either just don’t stack up or had already been done.

Go on. Mention his last two Wrestlemania matches with Undertaker. It’ll just prove my point. Shawn did it first. What’s more, Shawn did it better too. Trips has had great matches. It’s a shame they’re mostly other people’s ideas.

Mazza: The problem with things like this is the longer you talk, the more likely you are to make silly statements (something Bret himself knows a lot about). First of all it is nice of you to give Bret credit for the rise of the ladder match. Sure he was in the first one the WWF put out but we all know it was Michaels and Hall that brought it to a level of prominence within the company. Next there is WrestleMania 13. As great as that much was, Austin’s face turn was already a foregone conclusion. And then of course there is the case of Big Daddy Cool. A guy you bring up for a second time in this column. A guy that apparently had a great match with the Hitman at Survivor Series 1995. A match that you, in a column dated the 31st January 2013, claimed to be a... and I quote “rather over-rated and, frankly, tepid affair”. Then there is the good old game of mentioning what I am going to bring up before I do (remember it backfired on Bischoff too). First of all that proves that you know these matches hold plenty of weight. Again you have tried to go the “other people do it better route”. There could be an argument there, but it seems to happen quite a lot and just so happens that a lot of people have their best matches in these areas against... you guessed it... Triple H.

Look, it’s simple. Bret has had some brilliant matches in his career. His match with Owen is one of my favourite in Mania history. His match with Hennig is one of my favourite in SummerSlam history. He has a whole host of top notch tag matches and singles matches and when it comes to a normal match, he beats Triple H. But this isn’t about just normal matches. Like it or not, as the Attitude Era came in, gimmick matches became huge. This was Hunter’s era and he excelled. Shawn and Taker may have started off the legacy of Hell in a Cell. Mankind may have done the crazy shit to give it more pizazz, but Hunter has been the man that has performed to a high level in the structure again and again. But maybe you want something he actually started. How about the Elimination Chamber? Now a staple of the PPV calendar and once again, Trips has been the main force behind it. Bret’s ladder match? I’d take Trips vs Rocky over it. The iron man too for that matter. Bret’s cage match? Give me that third stage of hell every day of the week, and that’s not counting some of his better cell matches. When it comes down to it, there are plenty of claims that can be made like Foley was stronger in street fights, Austin was a better brawler, Shawn’s back-to-backs with Taker were better. You may be right on all counts but it really doesn’t matter because they are all Triple H matches and he brought it in every single one of them.

Johan, let’s bring this bitch home.

Judge Joe: About fucking time. Go.


Era Leadership


Mazza: When all is said and done, Bret and Hunter are actually more alike than you’d think. Stylistically they’re quite different across the board but when it comes to their place in history they are very similar. An argument could be made that Bret was the company’s top worker during the salad days of the late 80s and early 90s. The same can be said for Hunter during the Attitude Era. Both men were eventually rewarded for their hard work when a change came. Unfortunately those changes wouldn’t be easy ones. Bret was given the ball to run with when huge stars like Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage jumped to WCW. Hunter took top spot when The Rock and Steve Austin moved onto pastures new. Neither man was ever going to find it easy to take over from those massive names and as a result, they were definitely not the best periods in WWE history. They both steered the ship though and when the time came, they handed passed the torch onto the new generation. Bret with Austin and Hunter with Batista and Cena. So you could call this category even right?

Nah! Whilst Trips was burying everyone in sight throughout his era and drawing heat from almost every corner of the IWC, Bret was struggling to maintain his place. On his first try it was quickly given back to a returning Hogan. Then he was chopped to make way for Diesel. Then it was Shawn’s turn. Poor old Luger didn’t get out of first gear. You have to admire Bret’s tenacity to keep on getting back his place at the top but there is also a reason he kept dropping it too. PPV’s just were not selling. Sure, it seemed Bret was always the lesser of multiple evils but the period just wasn’t successful. Now don’t get me wrong, Hunter’s reign wasn’t ridiculously better, but better it was, and he did it by himself. But that was of course thanks to the fact he was married to the bosses daughter and nothing to do with him being the best man for the job!!! Most importantly however, Trips followed the deal through. We all know it is not Bret’s fault that he didn’t get that opportunity, but the fact remains that the WWF were still in not very good shape at Survivor Series ‘97. By the time Hunter had put over Batista and then Cena at consecutive Manias, the buy rates were very much back up to a strong place although he had handed over that torch, he was still a big part of the reason why. The most impressive thing of all for me though is that he did it as a heel. He is the only man in the modern era of the WWE to lead the company through any sustained amount of time working predominantly as a bad guy.

Take us home Plan.

’Plan: Well, you couldn’t have done me any more favours in what you just said. Hogan, Yoko, Luger, Diesel, and Shawn - at every turn the WWE kept undercutting Bret’s status as top dog with a number of ill advised experiments and, ultimately, counter-productive choices. You say that Bret’s position as top dog can be criticised because the WWE was in bad shape by the time he passed the reigns to Austin? To quote Austin himself, “UH-UH!” The WWE was in bad shape because pay per view numbers bombed, but how many times was Bret headlining those pay per views? It certainly wasn’t the majority. They’d often pull him up for the Big Four, but In Your House was largely dominated by the aforementioned parties and, by 1996, Bret wasn’t even around fully. Come ‘97, a red hot angle was allowing the WWE to go somewhat halfway to a recovery, and who was in the midst of it? Bret, of course.

You can’t, on the one hand, say Bret’s time as a top dog was shit because the WWE suffered across the board, only, on the other hand, say Bret kept getting replaced as top dog. That’s totally ass-backwards. The truth is, Bret never had a prolonged period as top dog like all the other famous WWE era-leaders did. He kept getting supplanted. At the same time, WWE suffered. I’m not saying the two are directly connected, but they can’t go hand in hand as part and parcel of the same damn argument. Does any of that mean Bret wasn’t a leader? I don’t think so. Because with those constant replacements came a constant need for Bret to put them over. He put over Yoko, he put over Diesel, he put over Shawn and he put over Austin. He never directly put over Luger, but nor did he ever beat him. Bret helped to elevate a lot of stars, both in losing to them but also in making those he beat look like a million bucks as well.

But Trips? He buried RVD, he buried Kane and he buried Steiner. He constantly bitched out his best buddy Shawn, he successfully regressed Booker’s career by three years and stalled Orton’s for four. He pretty much killed off Goldberg’s time in the company, and, at the very least, did the man no real favours. Sure, he lost to Cena, but soon got handed a reward for doing Cena an apparent favour. Incidentally, Shawn put Cena over in much more effective fashion a year later too. Just saying.... Batista? Alright, you can have Batista. That’s one. One out of...how many? Oh, and it just so happens the two were best buddies. In fact, it’s best buddies that often provided Trips with his only possible positive claims towards being good for business. Unfortunately, three or four guys don’t really make a company.

The fact is, in this instance, Bret and Trips are the total antithesis of one another. Where Bret was constantly passed over for less talented or less respectful guys, often leading to a confused product being presented and dwindling ratings and pay per view numbers, he would, all the same, be the good soldier and put them all over, making them look amazing in the process. Trips, on the other hand, constantly ensured the safety of his own position by continually burying wrestlers, stalling their rises to the top or scooping or killing their heat. Even outside of his time as the top dog, he caused damage. He helped ensure Rikishi failed as a heel by being a part of a programme that didn’t even allow ‘Kish to take the heat for Austin’s hit and run, and I needn’t even go into details about Punk in 2011.

Bret was a consummate professional and noble leader during his time. Triple H just fucked everyone over for his own gain.

Fuck him. And fuck you too!

Judge Joe: Ok, that’s done. I’m out of here. Later, niggas.

Mazza: So much for summing up! If Joe’s gone, wanna argue amongst ourselves for a couple of minutes?

’Plan: You mean do I want to complain about how you’ve totally misrepresented half of my arguments in most cases? Particularly the whole matches thing!

Mazza: No, more about how you have everything arse backwards in the psychology section. I think if there is one thing we can agree on, it’s that this no comeback rule had us both going a little insane.

’Plan: Completely. But we’d be at it all day. Look, neither of us will ever see the other’s point of view. You can’t compete against arguments based on fact and I can’t argue with an idiot. Here’s the thing. This whole thing got blown way out of proportion. Bret sometimes takes criticisms a level too far, but he still said Trips was a good wrestler. He’s even trying to like him these days!

Mazza: Of course you can argue with an idiot. I think I just proved that. I’ve said my piece on the infamous interview and I am not going down that road again... apart from say Bret is a big big crybaby... just like you!

’Plan: Oh, please. The simple truth is The Game couldn’t lace the Hitman’s boots

...and actually, even if he could, the probability is someone else would’ve laced them better anyway!

Mazza: Ok, I’ll let you think you have had the last word otherwise you might rate me a top 1000 LOP columnist in a future interview, but realistically now, the final word will come from the readers...

So there we are ladies and gents. We’ve had our say but it is all in your hands now. As you can see, below we have a little poll where you can cast your vote on who was better, Hunter or Bret. Of course you can also leave us some hate filled comments below as I am sure a few of you have gotten a little hot under the collar. Nice comments are also welcome however. We will keep the voting open for approximately one week and shall return to the same thread, same URL and update it with the results. Until then ladies and gents, Smarks Court is Adjourned.


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  • ATTITUDE! Royal Rumble 1999 (CPR Productions)

  • ATTITUDE! Rock Bottom: In Your House (CPR Productions)

  • ATTITUDE! Survivor Series 1998 (CPR Productions)

  • Golf. Oscar. Alpha. Tango. Believe In The Shield! (CPR Productions)

  • ATTITUDE! Judgment Day: In Your House (CPR Productions)

  • ATTITUDE! Breakdown: In Your House (CPR Productions)